[H-GEN] Membership forms

[Mark Ellem]

Hi,

On 15/08/2009, at 12:41 PM, Greg Black wrote:
>
>> I refer you to Section 5 subsection h where it clearly states
>> that: "# A Financial Member must have been a member for a
>> minimum of three months to have voting rights at a Special
>> General Meeting. "
>
> Correct.  These members have all been members of Humbug for a
> minimum of three months, in most cases for several years.
>
> The Constitution does not say three months immediately prior to
> the AGM, it just says three months.
>
> So, as has been agreed by a large number of people familiar with
> the Constitution, they will be eligible to vote if they can just
> get their renewal done in time.
>
> Since your efforts seem to be all designed to prevent them from
> voting under this smokescreen of designing a pretty form that
> nobody gives a toss about, one might wonder if there was some
> other agenda at play here.
>
> Anyway, these people should be allowed to renew so they can
> vote.

General convention from what I know is anybody who was previously a  
member of HUMBUG in the past is a renewing member and therefore skips  
the 3 month waiting period for voting. Therefore what you are saying  
is in essence correct about membership and voting.

Regarding a 'smokescreen' and hidden agenda, I'm quite confident that  
there is no basis in fact for such an allegation. Matthew and I have  
been discussing revising the membership form and all he was doing was  
posting to General to get ideas and gauge opinions, nothing more.

>> So if they wanted to vote in the coming elections they really
>> should have paid months ago. While I can see a reason to have
>> the forms available online before the AGM this will not affect
>> the inability for people to vote.
>
> Wrong, as stated above.
>
>> I really don't like insulting people Greg.
>
> If you don't like it, don't do it.  I don't see a big crowd of
> people standing around demanding that you be insulting.
>
> And, since it has no effect on me, it's a complete waste of your
> time as well.  I'd suggest that this might be a good time to
> give it up.

Okay all this stuff about hidden agendas and insults from both sides  
should cease as it's pointless and petty. Not only that, it's hiding  
what I feel is other issues.

Greg:

Matthew and others feel you are overly critical of this current Exec  
compared to previous Exec's and without showing cause for such  
criticism. If there any issues you have with the running of HUMBUG  
currently, we would love to know.

Matthew:

You have done quite a lot of communication on behalf of HUMBUG and  
while I'm grateful for it (as I'm not a prolific emailer), you need to  
consult with other Exec members more before firing off emails through  
official channels as sometimes either the information may be not-quite- 
right or the delivery is off. I feel party responsible for this as  
I've been more off-line than on (which is not good for the vice- 
president role) and have let these things slide a bit.

I feel other members have 'misinterpreted' what you're saying  
sometimes and this causes flaring up over small issues.

In future, other Exec members (such as myself) will help review  
correspondence made in any official capacity to the membership to  
ensure it reflects what we are saying is correct.

Cheers,
Mark.