[H-GEN] Membership forms

[matheist76 at westnet.com.au]

Greg wrote:

>It makes no sense to assume what their printers will do with a form designed >by a bunch of amateurs.  Even experts have trouble getitng this stuff right.

Ah Greg you made a spelling mistake. I thought you believed using proper English. If your not capable of doing so do don't bother to send me this rubbish. Point: You, like me make mistakes. Why spend time and effort bitching about them.  

To your point about printing both sides.Any normal printer is quite capable of printing both sides. It's the professionals that are at the disadvantage here as they have such a low margin of error to deal with. I think you forget that I work in that industry and I know what the hell I am taking about. 

In response to why we need to change and what is the point of doing so.The old forms did need to be updated and therefore we needed a new one. I have been spending a bit time looking at the old forms and they just don't cut it anymore. 

I would also rather have people's input into the design of the new form. After all aren't we an Open Source club and that way if people don't like it now they have a chance to say so. I would also like to point about that due to Deadcat's input I have made a number of what you might call useless changes but to me, and quite possibly other members, they are changes that are important. Like spelling mistakes. I can't read people's minds I can only get their opinions. Something that you seem not to be able to get your head around. 

As you well know the AGM is only 3 weeks away. One meeting. Tell me what is the point of people joining up now when their membership will last for 3 weeks tops. As I have said in previous emails the idea behind this is to get people's opinions and input. So far in relation to the form itself you have done neither. So Greg when are you going to come off your high horse and do some work for a change.  

>> Please don't waste your time and everyone else's time by using negative
>> comments. Be positive and change what you believe to be wrong. 
>Matt, you seem to be unfamiliar with the process of offering up something
>for discussion.  It means that you are inviting critical comment, and it's
>pointless then asking for people not to criticize.  As the old saying goes:
>if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Whether it makes any
>sense to thrash out the details of membership forms in this mailing list,
>it's a process that you began.  Live with it.

I don't mind if people criticize provided they do so on topic. What I can't stand is negative comments for the sake of being negative. This is something that you appear to be very good at doing.
 
>However, it's my very strong view that this discussion is a waste of time.

I think your email was a complete waste of time. So why the hell did you write it? 

>I don't understand why the Exec couldn't have just made the existing form
>available on the website for the non-local renewing members to use.  I do
>hope that the next Exec will be able to manage such trivial tasks better.

Because Greg my hope is to encourage people to be a part of the process. This has it's advantages. I get feedback from people like Deadcat. It's disadvantage is I get crap from you. You and other members have complained that we as an Exec have not been more open. Well the problem of being more open is that you get all the information not just the stuff you want. 

You have a choice. You can ignore this thread if you like Greg. In fact please do. As no value has so far come out of what you have said. 

Greg you also commented that you would do a better job. If you do indeed make it into the Exec then my hope is that you stop doing what you currently are doing and actually do some work for a change.

I would rather the next Exec concentrate on doing what is required for the club rather than just complain about what the last Exec did and didn't do. So far I can only see you being a weight around their necks. So if the chance comes up, my vote Greg, you will not have. 

I will vote for Russell. Simply becuase he has made the effort even from the start. Even though him and I don't see eye to eye at times. I respect him for his work ethic even if I disagree with his methods. I can't say the same about you Greg.
 
To finish.These emails get us nowhere. They are pointless exchanges of insults that in the end mean nothing. The only thing they do create is hatred. I can see no positive outcomes to this line of discussion. My hope is that we move on and actually do some work. If you have a real problem with me Greg, and it very much appears that you do, then please stop insulting me and just come straight out with it.

Matthew Franklin