[H-GEN] Anti-unix changes in Suncorp-Metway's updated banking TOS

Gary Curtis gazilla at gmail.com
Sat Jan 22 21:09:52 EST 2005

The real "gotcha" is at the bottom of clause 23.4 vis...

"We are not liable for any loss, damage or consequential loss or
damage if you use or attempt to access Internet Banking  without using
suitable software."

Where [of course] "suitable software" is defined in 23.26 as Windows cr4p!!

So...   if I use Suncorp's Internet Banking using Firefox on Linux and
at some later time my account is compromised they can wash their hands of it.

The next question is do they keep any record of which browser I use?
If so and as the record pertains to me, am I able to see a copy of that record?
Open up all sorts of privacy question, does it not?


On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:36:35 +1000, Harry Phillips <harry at tux.com.au> wrote:
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> On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 20:10 +1000, Christopher Biggs wrote:
> > 'Suitable Software' has been redefined in the updated terms-of-service
> > as: MSIE 5.5 or later or Netscape 6.1 or later on MS-Windows
> > 95,98,2000, or XP, along with an "approved" anti-virus suite.
> >
> I am not a Suncorp customer (and probably never will be) but I had a
> quick look and can't find these terms you talk about.
> Is it only for customers as they login or is it available publicly? I
> see this page:
> http://suncorp.com.au/suncorp/legal/disclaimer.html#14
> It gives recommendations but does not stipulate that you *must* use IE
> etc.
> Ok, just found it, Clause 23.26:
> https://internetbanking.suncorpmetway.com.au/sml/terms.asp
> There is a big difference between recommended and required. It doesn't
> even say which AV products are "approved by us", maybe *nix and Mac's
> qualify since they are inherently make your computer immune to
> viruses :)
> I am not a lawyer but since they don't give a list of the AV products
> *or* stipulate that you must keep the AV product up-to-date they
> probably don't have a leg to stand on.
> If they have to stipulate the exact update of the AV product and also
> give 30 days notice then they have their work cut out for them, the TOS
> would change daily and always be a month out of date.
> --
> Regards,
> Harry
And remember, it's spelled Gary Curtis, but it's pronounced "Gazilla"

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