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From: James McPherson - TSG Engineer <James.McPherson at Sun.COM>
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On 03 Dec 2001, 09:15:37 AM Ewan Edwards wrote:
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> I do not agree with Jason's assertion that kernel sources "should be" under 
> CVS.  I am quite happy with the current scheme where I can download the 
> source archive and drop it into /usr/src/, and simply run the appropriate 
> make commands.
> The main reason for my not agreeing is that I'm not a programmer and do not 
> use CVS myself.  As a result I am not prepared to admit any knowledge of 
> using any CVS client tools.  I do, however, admit to knowing a little about 
> setting up a CVS server for a team of programmers - and thats only because I 
> did it once.  
> I would hate to have to setup a CVS server, create a repository, import the 
> source tree, etc., etc., on my workstation, then learn the use and syntax of 
> the CVS client tools just so that I could build a new kernel.  What a pain 
> that would be.
> For those of you who wish to be programmers and have a desire to use tools 
> like CVS, the concept is probably no big deal.  For someone like me whose 
> system usage is limited to Netscape, email, MineSweeper, vi & pico for 
> editing boot scripts, cron, passwd, & NIS src files, the concept is scarey.

Ewan,
I think you are missing the point -- you don't need to install a cvs server if 
you just want to take the published, working, snapshot kernel release and dump
it into the appropriate place for a (hopefully) quick build. CVS allows the
maintainers/developers to create releases (snapshots) which you can publish
to the world and which are independent of a need for cvs utils. Maybe you should
rtfm on this - the pdf/dvi/ps is readily available, there is a neat O'Reilly book
on it, and then there are the cvs websites:

cvsbook.red-bean.com
www.cyclic.com/CVS (the maintainers)

In fact, if you don't wish to be the maintainer then there are repositories
such as anoncvs.gnome.org, sourceforge.org (.net?) etc which maintain the trees
for you - your effort goes into the development and assigning a gatekeeper. I'd
hazard a guess that one reason Linus doesn't like cvs is that you need a gatekeeper
who commits changes to the repository, and he probably doesn't want to change
his build/commit style (or habits!) ;|


James C. McPherson
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