[H-GEN] Why no keyboard with NO Window Manager ?
Jason Parker-Burlingham
jasonp at uq.net.au
Fri Apr 25 23:01:38 EDT 2003
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"Christopher Biggs" <listjunkie at pobox.com> writes:
> Jason Parker-Burlingham <jasonp at uq.net.au> moved upon the face of
> the 'Net and spake thusly:
> Simple apps like "xterm" et al work because they stick to a single
> window. (Try turning off autocompletion in mozilla and see if that helps).
What you say is probably true but I wonder about things like the menus
available with control-clicks in xterm and such.
> > It seems to me there's some widget issue here; maybe mozilla *needs* a
> > window manager (which I think is pretty ridiculous)
> Not really ridiculous when you look at the underlying definition of
> "window".
It seems a shame it isn't possible to simply run the browser without
the window manager hovering over everything when at least conceptually
it shouldn't be required: the application's menus still work, and the
autocomplete bar doesn't really behave like a "window", so I wonder
why it is one.
On the gripping hand I guess the URL bar and such need to understand
ICCCM (is that what it's called?) to be able to accept pastes and the
like, whereas menus do not.
> I run larswm at ork and wmx at home. ratpoison is worth a look,
> just to tie your brain in knots...
I used to use ion but eventually gave it away because of what happens
to modal dialog boxes---they'll pop up for selecting files to operate
on and whatnot and most applications just aren't built to expect a
tiny "click `okay' to continue" box to fill the entire screen or even
a significant portion thereof.
Mozilla and ImageMagick seemed to me to be the worst offenders.
--
``I didn't program you for sarcasm.''
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