i am told, and i quote (tho' not verbatim..): "you won't be able to login using a script, you'll have to install ezppp or kppp and connect thru' Xwindows". i now have ezppp (thank bog for wingate..). strangely enough, it chokes on pap too, and pppd dies. i think he thinks i'm thick. i think his ppp is broken. any offers? andy b.