[H-GEN] [H-ADMIN] Paying for hosting via PayPal

[Tomas Marko Miljenović]

On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 02:35:28 PM Gary Curtis wrote:
> I am happy to stay with Digital Ocean for the time being. Favouring
> stability and support over price.
> 
> If anyone followed Russel's link to lowendbox.com and found a 'Sold Out'
> message, there is a work-around.
> 
> I created an account first, then went to 'Add a service' to the account and
> found the half-price specials available there.
> 
> Hang the expense, I bought two.
> 
> Gary
> -------------
> Gary Curtis      t: 07 3801 1311    m: 04 1455 1488
> 
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Greg Black <gjb at yaxom.com> wrote:
> > [ Humbug *General* list - semi-serious discussions about Humbug and     ]
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> > 
> > On 2 April 2016 at 22:55, Russell Stuart <russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > Oh, and I should also add that last meeting Gaz asked about the cost of
> > > hosting.  As you know he ponders things out loud for a long time, and I
> > > was attempting to teach myself Rust at that time.  Clever guy, that
> > >
> > > Gaz. I found this for him:
> > >    https://lowendbox.com/blog/openvirtuals-16year-openvz-256mb-ram-90gb
> > >
> > > -hd-1tb-bw-in-atlanta/
> > > 
> > > It turns out for USD$20/yr, fixed for life, provides we get what we are
> > > getting now from Digital Ocean for USD$60/yr.  Well, maybe, because
> > > Digital Ocean is more of a known quantity.
> > > 
> > > I've personally signed up because my current USA VPS costs me
> > > USD$60/yr, and I'm a sucker for cheap crap.  It's worked well for the
> > > past 96 hours.  Crissic worked well when we signed up of course, but
> > > only for 2 years.
> > > 
> > > USD$20/yr is a 50% discount rate for marketing purposes.  I imagine it
> > > will expire at some time. I don't know when - maybe soon, maybe not.
> > > 
> > > It turned out moving the Humbug was very easy, so I can easily do it
> > > again. So I'm asking the Exec and Sasig if we should move again, as it
> > > MAY save us money in the long term.  Note we have just paid for 7
> > > months hosting on Digital Ocean, so we lose in the short term.  But at
> > > 12 months on we are ahead.  And we don't really lose the credits at
> > > Digital Ocean.  They stay around forever, so we can switch back if it
> > > all turns to shit.
> > > 
> > > I vote yes for the move.
> > 
> > Here's my take on it. We know Digital Ocean is working well for us now,
> > so let's not take any hasty action just yet.
> > 
> > I'd like Russell to attach his Nagios monitor to his own new VPS (with
> > nags coming to me as well, as we have done for the Humbug site) so that
> > we can at least get some data on how well it works. It's not the same as
> > the Humbug website in terms of load and traffic, but it would tell us
> > something.
> > 
> > Then, assuming it all goes well for the next three weeks, we could set
> > up the new thing at the Humbug meeting on 23 April, so limiting us to
> > another $5 for Digital Ocean.
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I would strongly advise against anyone migrating mail servers to a cheap VPN 
host, unless they are sure they can easily migrate elsewhere in a hurry - and 
not lose mail in the meantime.

OpenVirtuals has already had some of its users associated with ransomware and 
cyber crime. This is hardly unusual for any cheap host (and many expensive 
hosts) these days, though I'm yet to see any strong action to control such 
abuse (and protect their reputation).

It's all fun and games until your host is listed on the SBL, or closed lists 
which won't grant exceptions.

- Tomas