[H-GEN] membership renewal notices

Wed Nov 2 05:48:06 EDT 2011

Can you send me new membership renewal notices please
laurie56lyons at yahoo.com.au

best wishes laurie lyons

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Today's Topics:

   1. Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Russell Stuart)
   2. Re: Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Gary Curtis)
   3. Re: Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Gary Curtis)
   4. Re: Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Russell Stuart)
   5. Re: Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Jared Norris)
   6. Re: Wireless, the NBN and the Sun (Russell Stuart)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:47:03 +1000
From: Russell Stuart <russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>
Subject: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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Some while ago Gary, Scott and myself were sparring over the NBN.  Gary
said the NBN's charging model was all wrong.  The NBN charges your ISP
$24+GST a month for the equivalent of the existing copper connection
connected to both the phone and ADSL at the exchange, which is roughly
equivalent to what Telstra charges now for the sale thing.

Gary didn't like that model.  He wanted a NBN username/password that
allowed him to use anybodies NBN connection, anywhere, anytime, and have
it be charged back to him.

At the time I thought it was an absurd idea.  I still do - the NBN can't
work that way.

But the more I thought about it, the more I became convinced it would be
possible to layer that sort of model over the NBN.  If I were doing it I
would base it on OpenWrt.  Set up something that had private and Guest
ESSID's.  The Guest ESSID would act like a giant captive portal, where
you authenticated yourself with my servers and the router reported your
data usage back to the servers.

Given that a byte transferred over mobile wireless is currently 10 times
more expensive than a byte transferred over a land line it should not be
difficult to come up with a charging scheme that worked for everybody.
The guest user gets a cheaper and faster connection than he would get
with his phone, I get a cut, and the NBN land line owner gets to make
money from his NBN connection.  In effect, it turns every residential
line owner into a wireless ISP, competing with the likes of Telstra.

Wonderful.  Except now I discover it has already been done.  Not here,
but in Europe:

  http://corp.fon.com/en/this-is-fon

Is there nothing new under the Sun?

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:48:57 +1000
From: Gary Curtis <gazilla at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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...and then there's the Serval Project...

http://www.servalproject.org/

Not the same thing as Fon, but would be fun to play with.
It would have immediate use in the bushwalking fraternity.
I am keen to load the Android app at next Humbug and test it.
I will need a couple of other Android users to volunteer as well.
The Serval dudes will be at LCA 2012.

Gaz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 13:47, Russell Stuart
<russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>wrote:

> [ Humbug *General* list - semi-serious discussions about Humbug and     ]
> [ Unix-related topics. Posts from non-subscribed addresses will vanish. ]
>
> Some while ago Gary, Scott and myself were sparring over the NBN.  Gary
> said the NBN's charging model was all wrong.  The NBN charges your ISP
> $24+GST a month for the equivalent of the existing copper connection
> connected to both the phone and ADSL at the exchange, which is roughly
> equivalent to what Telstra charges now for the sale thing.
>
> Gary didn't like that model.  He wanted a NBN username/password that
> allowed him to use anybodies NBN connection, anywhere, anytime, and have
> it be charged back to him.
>
> At the time I thought it was an absurd idea.  I still do - the NBN can't
> work that way.
>
> But the more I thought about it, the more I became convinced it would be
> possible to layer that sort of model over the NBN.  If I were doing it I
> would base it on OpenWrt.  Set up something that had private and Guest
> ESSID's.  The Guest ESSID would act like a giant captive portal, where
> you authenticated yourself with my servers and the router reported your
> data usage back to the servers.
>
> Given that a byte transferred over mobile wireless is currently 10 times
> more expensive than a byte transferred over a land line it should not be
> difficult to come up with a charging scheme that worked for everybody.
> The guest user gets a cheaper and faster connection than he would get
> with his phone, I get a cut, and the NBN land line owner gets to make
> money from his NBN connection.  In effect, it turns every residential
> line owner into a wireless ISP, competing with the likes of Telstra.
>
> Wonderful.  Except now I discover it has already been done.  Not here,
> but in Europe:
>
>  http://corp.fon.com/en/this-is-fon
>
> Is there nothing new under the Sun?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:03:36 +1000
From: Gary Curtis <gazilla at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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Not just Europe. There are several of these routers right here in BrisVegas.
Follow the 'Fon Spots' link and zoom in.

Gaz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 13:47, Russell Stuart
<russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>wrote:

> [ Humbug *General* list - semi-serious discussions about Humbug and     ]
> [ Unix-related topics. Posts from non-subscribed addresses will vanish. ]
>
> Some while ago Gary, Scott and myself were sparring over the NBN.  Gary
> said the NBN's charging model was all wrong.  The NBN charges your ISP
> $24+GST a month for the equivalent of the existing copper connection
> connected to both the phone and ADSL at the exchange, which is roughly
> equivalent to what Telstra charges now for the sale thing.
>
> Gary didn't like that model.  He wanted a NBN username/password that
> allowed him to use anybodies NBN connection, anywhere, anytime, and have
> it be charged back to him.
>
> At the time I thought it was an absurd idea.  I still do - the NBN can't
> work that way.
>
> But the more I thought about it, the more I became convinced it would be
> possible to layer that sort of model over the NBN.  If I were doing it I
> would base it on OpenWrt.  Set up something that had private and Guest
> ESSID's.  The Guest ESSID would act like a giant captive portal, where
> you authenticated yourself with my servers and the router reported your
> data usage back to the servers.
>
> Given that a byte transferred over mobile wireless is currently 10 times
> more expensive than a byte transferred over a land line it should not be
> difficult to come up with a charging scheme that worked for everybody.
> The guest user gets a cheaper and faster connection than he would get
> with his phone, I get a cut, and the NBN land line owner gets to make
> money from his NBN connection.  In effect, it turns every residential
> line owner into a wireless ISP, competing with the likes of Telstra.
>
> Wonderful.  Except now I discover it has already been done.  Not here,
> but in Europe:
>
>  http://corp.fon.com/en/this-is-fon
>
> Is there nothing new under the Sun?
>
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> General at lists.humbug.org.au
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:25:26 +1000
From: Russell Stuart <russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>
Subject: Re: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:03 +1000, Gary Curtis wrote: 
> [ Humbug *General* list - semi-serious discussions about Humbug and     ]
> Not just Europe. There are several of these routers right here in
> BrisVegas.  Follow the 'Fon Spots' link and zoom in.

Oh ffs.  It *is* based on OpenWrt.  The entire thing is open source.

I'd set one up to see how it all works, but despite there being being
points in Brisbane there doesn't see to be a way to join.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:30:10 +1000
From: Jared Norris <jrnorris at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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> On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:03 +1000, Gary Curtis wrote:
>> [ Humbug *General* list - semi-serious discussions about Humbug and ? ? ]
>> Not just Europe. There are several of these routers right here in
>> BrisVegas. ?Follow the 'Fon Spots' link and zoom in.
>
> Oh ffs. ?It *is* based on OpenWrt. ?The entire thing is open source.
>
> I'd set one up to see how it all works, but despite there being being
> points in Brisbane there doesn't see to be a way to join.

>From reading the website it appears you have to purchase one of their
specific devices before you can join them.

-- 
Regards,

Jared Norris
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:30:00 +1000
From: Russell Stuart <russell-humbug at stuart.id.au>
Subject: Re: [H-GEN] Wireless, the NBN and the Sun
To: general at humbug.org.au
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On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:30 +1000, Jared Norris wrote: 
> From reading the website it appears you have to purchase one of their
> specific devices before you can join them.

Yeah, that's what I assumed.  It almost has to be that way.  As soon as
you install one you get free bandwidth at all the other fon host spots.
That only works if you are forced to share your bandwidth as well.  And
the only way to prevent cheating is to lock down the device.

But the code is public, and so your free to try and set up a similar
network:

  http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng

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