[H-GEN] Talk; Backups on Excalibur 25/05/09

Daniel Devine devine at ddevnet.net
Wed Jul 22 03:40:43 EDT 2009

95% compliment.
I could have sat there watching it all if really wanted, but because it was
a relatively small thing that was being dragged out quite long it was hard
to keep my attention. It was done quick enough that it was not sidelined by
anything else that popped up or just dumped because everybody got too

I don't think people mind (too much) about being crash tackled at the
meetings. In any case it is cool to see stuff being done and an active
community at the meetings. Perhaps this is a good way to approach things in
the future by making meetings the time where people can sit down an lay out
the first slab of code and attempt to provoke a feedback you can work on for
two weeks until you need to harass somebody else.

It is a little unfortunate that sometimes it takes a massive push to get
anything done but in the end everybody is thankful and there is a clear

Membership database next! I have been doing some R&D over the last two weeks
on the Membership Database and I hope to start the ball rolling this meeting
coming up.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Russell Stuart <russell-humbug at stuart.id.au
> wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 21:13 +1000, Daniel Devine wrote:
> > Even though it was out in the open it was almost like it was done
> > behind closed doors in terms of the pace and style it was done. It
> > will be good to get an overview of the whole system.
> I am not sure if this was a criticism or a complement.  It is nice you
> say it was done quickly but to me what should have been a simple thing
> took an inordinate amount of time.
> I approached it in the same way I approached everything else I think
> needs doing.  I gave a broad overview of what I wanted to do at the end
> of this post:
> http://lists.humbug.org.au/pipermail/general/2009-June/027565.html
> I then eagerly waited for responses, hoping someone might want to help
> out.  There weren't any, so I proceeded to write the code myself.  At
> each step of the way I posted long descriptions of what I was doing, and
> of course all the code.  Again I hoped someone would put their 2c in.
> No such luck.
> Since no one was forthcoming, I crash tackled people at humbug meetings
> and asked them to review what I had done - sitting beside them while
> they read the code.  Remarkably everybody I did this to took it in good
> humour, and did a very good job.  In particular I got the impression
> Stephen did a through job of reviewing everything I sent him.
> Anyway, the point of this ramble is I tried hard to make this inclusive
> as possible.  Thus I am a bit startled to see you say it felt like it
> was done behind closed doors.  It is also rather disappointing, as up
> till now I thought I have done a reasonably good job at giving everyone
> a chance to help me out.
> So, Daniel, I have a question for you.  Given what I did didn't work
> out, what should I have done?  Indeed, how should anybody attack a
> project at Humbug if they want everyone to feel like they are welcome to
> join in?
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